steam, pirateria e roba varia

[ZaMM]

Si ma per uno craccato (ma visto che non funzionano comunque, diciamo per un tentativo di craccare) ti segano anche su tutti quelli regolarmente acquistati, da quello che ho capito.
Boh, a me non pare ben fatto.

[Caleb]

sì, funziona così... ed è il motivo del preannunciato attacco odierno ai server (niente male come giorno scelto, con tutti i sistemisti a casa)

[gioggio]

a me sembra che stiano un attimo esagerando...

anche perchè il gioco piratato gira benissimo in single senza nessunissimo sbattimento e in multi sembra che ci sia il modo di giocare su dei server patchati...

non solo fanno data mining massivo senza dare niente in cambio all'utente finale ma adesso assumono dei comportamenti palesemente illeggittimi...

mi immagino solo se una cosa del genere l'avesse fatta microsoft: sarebbe venuto giù il mondo per le polemiche...

[Violet sky]

[supersaibal]Originariamente inviato da gioggio
anche perchè il gioco piratato gira benissimo in single senza nessunissimo sbattimento[/supersaibal]

Ah
Bene, questo è tutto ciò che volevo sapere

[Caleb]

mi viene da chiedere come possa funzionare bene senza le ultime patch per lo stuttering e per l'aggiornamento di source, ma... boh, ne prendo atto; di server patchati non so nulla, in compenso i server won stan morendo uno dopo l'altro

tra l'altro, nella versione crackata sono presenti tutti i giochi in lista nonchè gli strumenti di sviluppo? non mi risulta



ps se qualcuno crede nelle petizioni online ed è contro steam può esprimere il suo dissenso qui; se invece vi piace, occhio a quel che fate

[mdsjack]

steam. bella piattaforma! l'ho vista la prima volta quando mi sono scaricato la demo di hl2.

un gioco strabiliante! oggi un socio russo di mio padre si è incollato al mio pc appena gliel'ho fatta vedere. lui aveva hl1...

[Caleb]

sto seguendo con interesse il tutto, vorrei cercare di capirne i risvolti legali; vi copio un thread chiuso (non linko perchè verrà cancellato), epidem1c è un utente disabilitato e sherman uno dei dipendenti valve; si tratta del solito ragazzino vs resto del mondo ma le risposte di taylor hanno fatto scoppiare una bomba sul forum di steam, leggete tutto e dite la vostra


Posted by Epidem1c on 12-28-2004 03:33 AM

My Steam Account WRONGFULY Disabled

Please read this it may relate to you now, or in the future. Valve is making some bad mistakes.

I bought Counterstrike 1.6 a long, long time ago. Recently got Half-Life 2 w/ CS:S about a month ago.

But about 5 days ago I got an email from Valve saying this exact message:

Hello,

We have found activity in your Steam account (*********) related to piracy. Your account attempted to use a CD-Key ending in FAY98 that was found published on the internet as part of an exploit to gain free access to Half-Life 2. Per the Steam Subscriber Agreement, we have disabled your account and any games contained in it.
Your account will not be reactivated.

The Steam Subscriber Agreement can be found at http://www.steampowered.com/index.p...iber_agreement. In addition to violation of contract, activities on your part may violate federal law and/or state law. If such activities persist, Valve reserves the right to refer the matter to authorities.

Regards,

Steam Support


First of all.. my cd key DOES NOT end in FAY98 for any of my games. Second of all I did in fact LEGALY buy this game at BestBuy. Although I do not have the receipt anymore, I scanned my cd key and sent it to the support email address listed on Steams website explaining what happened. This was ont he 24th I have yet received a response. Im getting to the point where I dont think I will get one. Ill probably call them tommorow if I can find a number.

So Valve basicly took my 55 dollar game and snapped the CDs for me, also my CS1.6 can no longer be used because that cd key is on my disabled account along with CS:S. I cant make a new account because Id need new cd keys since theyre on the old one.

Has this happened to anyone else recently. Or am I just the lucky 1 out of the 30,000 people who were wrongfuly accused of piracy.

On Valve's part, this is pathetic. You guys cant even disable the right accounts it seems.

Anyone have suggestions?

I thought Id post this to let everyone know what could happen to you and see if Im alone in this or not.

Thanks for taking the time to read this though.
Posted by Snowknight26 on 12-28-2004 03:35 AM

I'm sure someone like Taylor Sherman will come in here saying what happened.
Posted by eram on 12-28-2004 03:36 AM

if you got a FAY98 email then its Extremely likely that at some point some illegal activity was recored on your account..

even if you find out it was someone else your still responsible for your account..
Posted by Epidem1c on 12-28-2004 03:38 AM

I never did any illegal activity.

And even still, my GOOD legitiment cd keys are useless now.
Posted by eram on 12-28-2004 03:40 AM

quote:Originally posted by Epidem1c
I never did any illegal activity.

And even still, my GOOD legitiment cd keys are useless now.

see right away the way you said that makes me think you do actually know something happend.

and even still.... hmmm.. cos now your concerned about your legit key , = what non-legit keys are there then?

Posted by Epidem1c on 12-28-2004 03:43 AM

No im stating that even if I did, which I did not... should it really determine whether my legaly purchased with good money cd keys are still good or not? I dont think so.
Posted by eram on 12-28-2004 03:46 AM

accounts get disabled not individual games. so all the games on that account will be disabled.

sorry but other than opening a support ticket on the support pages there isn't much you can do..

http://steampowered.custhelp.com/cg...duser/entry.php
Posted by Epidem1c on 12-28-2004 03:48 AM

Well you know how you can request your cd keys be taken off an account for 10 dollars. Could I do that, would they? It beats the hell out of payin 60 for a whole new game .
Posted by Taylor Sherman on 12-28-2004 03:48 AM

When you created your account on November 13th, you tried to register four different fake Half-Life cd-keys before registering an unused one.

Ten days later, you tried to register the FAY98 HL2 key three times before apparently actually going out and buying your own copy 16 hours later.

When I say "you" I mean "someone using your account". All accesses came from the same IP address, however, the same one you posted this thread from.
Posted by Dura on 12-28-2004 03:54 AM

quote:Originally posted by Taylor Sherman
When you created your account on November 13th, you tried to register four different fake Half-Life cd-keys before registering an unused one.

Ten days later, you tried to register the FAY98 HL2 key three times before apparently actually going out and buying your own copy 16 hours later.

When I say "you" I mean "someone using your account". All accesses came from the same IP address, however, the same one you posted this thread from.



I love you, Taylor

Posted by eram on 12-28-2004 03:54 AM

quote:Originally posted by Epidem1c
I thought Id post this to let everyone know what could happen to you and see if Im alone in this or not.

Good thing you did, Glad to see thats all cleared up now for you

Posted by Kiff on 12-28-2004 03:56 AM

Oh good god!! Such ownage cannot be described...aahah. I love these threads

Well done Epidem1c!!
Posted by marty56 on 12-28-2004 03:56 AM

Epidem1c, you are a future canidate for the Darwin awards, computer game player division.
Posted by eram on 12-28-2004 04:02 AM

sorry

http://img148.exs.cx/img148/8243/pwnednlremix2qw.jpg
Posted by leroybrown on 12-28-2004 04:13 AM

quote:Originally posted by Taylor Sherman
When you created your account on November 13th, you tried to register four different fake Half-Life cd-keys before registering an unused one.

Ten days later, you tried to register the FAY98 HL2 key three times before apparently actually going out and buying your own copy 16 hours later.

When I say "you" I mean "someone using your account". All accesses came from the same IP address, however, the same one you posted this thread from.

This is why its impossible to take anyone who has had an account disabled seriously. They act so innocent and try to make Valve look like such bad guys.

This thread should be stickied. Nice ownage.

Posted by Snowknight26 on 12-28-2004 04:18 AM

quote:Originally posted by Snowknight26
I'm sure someone like Taylor Sherman will come in here saying what happened.

I think my name should be changed to Cleo. :P

Posted by ocarD on 12-28-2004 04:19 AM

quote:Originally posted by Snowknight26
I think my name should be changed to Cleo. :P

be careful what you ask for ...

[Caleb]

Posted by Snowknight26 on 12-28-2004 04:20 AM

quote:Originally posted by ocarD
be careful what you ask for ...

Yea, I was thinking that someone would take me seriously, which is why I added the ":P".

Please dont change my name!

Posted by lost11 on 12-28-2004 04:23 AM

I have a similar problem. I bought my HL2 Silver Package with my American Express credit card. I was able to play it fine for a few days. For some reason this saturday, I logged off Steam and now when I try to log on, it says there's an error with my username/password. I dont think that is possible. I the username and password down when I registered my account. I am really upset at why I can't log into a game I spend my money on. I tried the forgotten password, but it won't send anything to the email address I had. It never said my account was disabled, but it wont let me access my account, or wont send me my email with the code. I do remember the secret question I used. I emailed them about a week ago, but it seems, from what I've read, they are heartless and probably wont respond? Is there anything I can do? I can show the purchase of the game when I get my credit card bill for this month. Please someone help me out.
Posted by eram on 12-28-2004 04:24 AM

Waldo almost changed my name to Pandora once for letting something out the box
Posted by ffguy on 12-28-2004 04:24 AM

Ever notice that kid didn't post anymore? It's like someone saying they didn't steal something, but you have them on high-definition video tape from 3 different angles.
Stupid n00b kids think they are cool. You only become cool when you do something cool. Like giving me food, or actually BUYING the freakin' game.
Posted by ocarD on 12-28-2004 04:25 AM

quote:Originally posted by eram
Waldo almost changed my name to Pandora once for letting something out the box

LOL I remember that.

Posted by ocarD on 12-28-2004 04:26 AM

quote:Originally posted by lost11
I have a similar problem. I bought my HL2 Silver Package with my American Express credit card. I was able to play it fine for a few days. For some reason this saturday, I logged off Steam and now when I try to log on, it says there's an error with my username/password. I dont think that is possible. I the username and password down when I registered my account. I am really upset at why I can't log into a game I spend my money on. I tried the forgotten password, but it won't send anything to the email address I had. It never said my account was disabled, but it wont let me access my account, or wont send me my email with the code. I do remember the secret question I used. I emailed them about a week ago, but it seems, from what I've read, they are heartless and probably wont respond? Is there anything I can do? I can show the purchase of the game when I get my credit card bill for this month. Please someone help me out.

Make sure the emial client you use isnt blocking/deleteng spam mail. Some ISP's accidently filter these emails and move them or delete them. Check your bulk/spam/deleted messages areas. if not send me a PM and I'll see if I can help you.

Posted by local black man on 12-28-2004 04:40 AM

taylor pooned u
Posted by Nlx2 on 12-28-2004 04:45 AM

lol
Posted by Nlx2 on 12-28-2004 04:46 AM

Hey i want my name changed
Posted by Epidem1c on 12-28-2004 07:42 AM

In reply to the "wrongfuly disabled account" thread

Since you guys closed it before I could respond, since I left my house I figured I should at least get my last words in.

First of all, I bought the game. No matter what I did before that should not matter.

I legally OWN that cd key. It should be returned to me for use on a new account.

Put it this way valve you will never get another penny out of me Valve. I think I reserve every right to have my CD key reinstated to be used on a new account. I payed for it, no matter my history, I PAYED FOR IT.

Whatever, Ill get back on, so look for Epidem1c in future games!

Much love,
Epi
Posted by Taylor Sherman on 12-28-2004 08:00 AM

OK - so, now your story has changed.

So -- why did you claim you had never done anything wrong with that account?

Why did you try to shift all blame to us, and claim that we had "mistakenly" disabled your account?

Why did you try to get the game illegitimately before purchasing it?

I'm failing to feel the love involved in these actions.

edit: no posts except from epidem1c, please
Posted by vampire316 on 12-28-2004 08:12 AM

epidemic ur a looser

Taylor edit: Hello?? OK, thread closed. Epidem1c, you can PM me your response and I'll add it here.
Posted by Epidem1c on 12-28-2004 08:13 AM

Vampire just cause I dont reply in the first moment of his reply doesnt mean I realize Im wrong. Its because I have other things to do, I dont sit here waiting for replys like some of you.

And I didnt realize that was what they were talking about in the email I received. Untill now, and untill I looked up "counter-strike FAY98" on ebay and saw that exploit. Untill then it remindmed me of that time I did that. And yes so I did do that I now admit to that I just didnt remember doing that in my first post, because it was some time ago. Its an expensive game, Im a student, and I just didnt want to pay we have all been in situations like that. You cannot tell me youve never pirated anything in your life.

But you never seemed to get back on why I still cant at least have my GOOD, legal cd keys back. I think that, is stealing from me. So thus maybe youre being a bit, hypocritical. Because I payed for those 2 cd keys (CS classic and HL2/CSS) although now Its like you took them and threw them away. I payed for them I have every right to have them back.
Posted by Taylor Sherman on 12-28-2004 08:14 AM

"I just didn't want to"

OK, thanks for answering my questions.

As to your question: you forefeited all rights to your Steam account when you tried to steal from us. The fact that you registered a legitimate key before we noticed and disabled the account, well that's just bad luck I guess.

[skidx]

[supersaibal]Originariamente inviato da gioggio
ma adesso assumono dei comportamenti palesemente illeggittimi...[/supersaibal]

Sai le risate se ti bloccano il gioco comprato originale, ti viene bloccato l'account e non ti rendono i soldi.

C'è materiale per fargli causa e vincere a mani basse, bendati e con una gamba sola.

Sta a vedere che ora Valve mi può multare per un reato che lei ha presunto. Da quando ha potere giudiziario?

Caleb, non ho letto ciò che hai postato in inglese (mi fa fatica tradurre ). Non so all'estero, ma qua in Italia è evidente l'illegalità della cosa, se io commetto un reato solo l'autorità giudiziaria competente può dimostrarlo e condannarmi a un risarcimento.
Quindi se Valve mi impedisce di usare il gioco regolarmente acquistato, ho diritto al risarcimento, mi sembra palese.

[ARCTiC]

[supersaibal]Originariamente inviato da skidx
Quindi se Valve mi impedisce di usare il gioco regolarmente acquistato, ho diritto al risarcimento, mi sembra palese. [/supersaibal]

Dipende dalle condizioni esposte dalla licenza d'uso. Tu hai acquistato il diritto ad utilizzare il software rispettando determinate regole, infrangendo le quali vieni meno ai tuoi obblighi e quindi perdi ogni diritto acquisito (e quindi anche l'eventuale risarcimento).
E' quello che accade ad esempio con gli internet providers (possono annullare il contratto unilateralmente se non lo rispetti (esempio se ti metti a floodare, spammare, ecc. ecc.), e non hai diritto a nessun rimborso).
La vera questione e' se Valve puo' dimostrare che tu hai effettivamente hai infranto le regole del contratto contratto (ma immagino che abbiano sufficienti elementi per farlo).